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Post by Tom on Sept 30, 2007 3:59:19 GMT
Hi group, The backing on this one has the PS5 tone generator playing a MIDI file created on the Yamaha keyboard and edited on the PC to turn off all but the bass, drums and a little hint of organ. I put it together originally with the idea of someday recording my son playing drums on the open track and then remixing with the MIDI drum part turned off. Both guitar tracks feature my Digitech RP150. www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=269205&songID=5823515Comments welcome as always. Tom
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Post by mcarp555 on Sept 30, 2007 23:58:39 GMT
Nice and tasty, Tom. Pretty much a 'by-the-numbers' 12-bar piece, but I like the organ - just enough to make it sweet, but not awash in it. Vocal has that gritty ZZ Top feel, without all the layers of echo (just enough, tho).
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Post by Tom on Oct 2, 2007 1:54:32 GMT
Thanks for the listen and comments Mike. Truth is I originally turned the organ volume down because I didn't care much for the PS5 voice. I am happy that I was able to finally port a MIDI over from the Yamaha and have it remain workable. My next purchase is going to be a USB to MIDI cable so I can try playing the MIDI back on my laptop but through the PS5 TG to "audition" adjustments I make to the MIDI file as I am making them, rather than going back and forth a couple times as I had to on this one.
Regards, Tom
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Post by mcarp555 on Oct 2, 2007 9:09:25 GMT
Yes, I know several people have done that in the past, to cut down on several steps. I'm always amazed at how good the TG really is in the PS5.
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Post by silverjess on Oct 4, 2007 16:23:13 GMT
Holy Moly!
Arizona Bound is awesome!, I'd love to blow some harp to that song! Did you use the PS5 for drums and base?
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Post by mcarp555 on Oct 4, 2007 17:40:54 GMT
Hey! Why don't you guys do a collab? It's been ages since anyone's done one...
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Post by Tom on Oct 5, 2007 3:15:11 GMT
Hi Jesse,
Thanks for the listen and the kind words.
The drums and bass you hear are the PS5 tone generator, but I didn't use the PS5 patterns. Instead I made a MIDI file on my Yamaha keyboard and then used it on the PS5 as an alternative to programming the PS5 patterns.
I can certainly send you the MIDI file and PS5 files with one track open for the harp. But first I'll have to do a little cut and paste clean-up to free up a track, as the vocal is currently on two tracks (verses 1, 2, and 5 on trk 4; verses 3 and 4 on trk 3). I couldn't seem to get through the whole song without messing up the words, so I just did the mix you hear on the MP3 by adjusting the tracke 3 and 4 levels on up and down at the appropriate times.
Send me an email at oancient1@yahoo.com and I'll send you the files when I have done the cleanup. I figure that all of the files will total around 7MB when I send them - probably significantly less if I can compress them into a ZIP file. Let me know if you can open a ZIP file.
Regards, Tom
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Post by silverjess on Oct 5, 2007 6:29:31 GMT
Sounds great, I'll give it a try, might need some play by play though!
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Post by sgulley on Oct 5, 2007 13:12:24 GMT
"Arizona Bound" does have a nice balance to the mix. It definitely belongs in the 70s era (Allman Bros. feel) w/o a slide. Anyway Tom you did a really nice job on this.
TONE GEN. COMMENTS The TG drum patterns on the 2488 are closely related (probably partially inherited) from the PS5. On the PS5 you can program the MIDI patterns where as on the 2488 you can only import SMF from computer. On the newest model of the 2488 you can only import SMF and there are no drum patterns.
Guess most are trying to find out different ways of producing better drum tracks. While most seem OK without onboard drums I'm still looking for a better way.
Stan
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Post by Tom on Oct 8, 2007 2:30:27 GMT
Stan,
Thanks to you too for the listen and kind words. Yeah ... it fits in the 70s. Sorta like me.
Yeah ... the the problem with a pattern based approach is that the number of usable patterns on any device is limited and using the same ones over and over makes one's stuff sound repiticious (sp?). That's why I am experimenting with the Yamaha, having run out of PS5 patterns that fit my style. I was personally a little disappointed to hear the pattern programming capability was removed from the 2488, as it is my understanding that you could patch together drums/bass from different patterns for variety.
Tom
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Post by silverjess on Dec 7, 2007 19:51:55 GMT
Hey Tom, still haven't forgot about the harmonica track, I just now figured out some sweet FX that muddy up the harp a bit. Was also wondering if I gave the break down on EQ/Delay, stuff, would you tell me what settings you used for the recording of Arizona Bound, its got a great solid sound to it. Here's what I have for: (if i start to tweak these its gets all messed up, I looked on the top ten essay list, but still missing something.
EQ- Low Gain? Low Freq? Hi Gain? Hi Freq?
Reverb- Return Level? Time? PreDelay? HiCut? Density? Attack?
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Post by Tom on Dec 7, 2007 21:27:33 GMT
I still haven't found time to figure out how to cut and paste to combine the best parts of the two vocal tracks into one track as I mentioned in my email, but if you have time to work on the song, you can just delete one or the other -- I think the two tracks are 3 and 4, and I seem to recall that track 4 was the better of the two.
Regarding the EQ and reverb, I am pretty sure that those settings are stored in one of the PS5 files I sent you, along with the pan settings. So after you load them onto your PS5, you can see the exact settings I used by loading the song and then pulling up the EQ and reverb menus to have a look. I don't have my PS5 here at the moment but will try to find time over the weekend to pull up the song and see what the reverb settings are. I know that all the tracks were recorded flat (default input EQ settings), and I am pretty sure that I mixed the song down with all the per- track EQ settings flat as well. I have a pretty serious high-frequency hearing loss, and so I rarely bother to change EQ, as I can't trust what I hear.
When adjusting reverb, keep in mind that, unlike the guitar and vocal effects which must be applied as "input effects" when recording, reverb is an "output" effect. For practical purposes, this makes reverb a "mixdown" effect that it can be adjusted then. Send and return levels settings can be set for each track; the other settings for all the tracks. When I have recorded without effects or using the PS5s internal guitar effects, I have to fiddle around a while to come up with just the right reverb delay and individual track send/retrun levels to make sure both the lead guitar and vocal sound good. However, on Arizona bound I think the guitar track send levels are set to 0 because I used the reverb effect on my guitar effects pedal when recording.
Regards, Tom
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Post by silverjess on Dec 8, 2007 16:21:55 GMT
Thanks for the quick reply, I will keep pluggin away, sure appreciate the input.
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