sgulley
Superstar
If you really like music and recording it then never stop trying to get better at it.
Posts: 2,994
|
Post by sgulley on May 15, 2008 18:50:01 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Girl Friday on May 15, 2008 20:25:10 GMT
Very nice Stan. You rock! What kind of drums are you using? Did you record this using your 2488 or your computer? I looked online at the 2488s. Wow!!! They're impressive!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by chrisr on May 15, 2008 21:01:09 GMT
Hey Stan,
Nice and well worked out song !
I often say that your music makes me think of T. Petty & the Heartbreakers, and it does. Still, you clearly have your personal S. Gulley style, really.
And with them multitracker machines of yours, you don't even need the Heartbreakers...
Well done, Stan.
Chris
|
|
sgulley
Superstar
If you really like music and recording it then never stop trying to get better at it.
Posts: 2,994
|
Post by sgulley on May 15, 2008 21:07:01 GMT
Thanks Chris, I really appreciate your comments!
GF, I've seen a 2488 as low as $500 on ebay, but like anything else, it just depends on your timing and when you buy. They are impressive portastudios, and tons of fun. You can hook anything but the kitchen sink up to one. I hardly ever use the 2488 onboard effects except vocal compresser or desser, or maybe a single effect for the whole mix. I quit using the 2488 drum patterns a couple of months ago and started using the EZDrummer plugin that depends on a VST software host to run.
I'm submixing all of my guitars from the 2488 and then export the stereo tracks into Sonar 6. I then record vocals and do the final mix and master from there.
I have several things in mind, including redoing vocals, and fancying up the drums.
Thanks again for listening. Stan
|
|
|
Post by chrisr on May 15, 2008 21:12:54 GMT
Talking about the 2488, I saw one on ebay at an incredibly low price (ebay 280224950094) : some 296 euros. That's well under $500 !
|
|
sgulley
Superstar
If you really like music and recording it then never stop trying to get better at it.
Posts: 2,994
|
Post by sgulley on May 15, 2008 21:24:51 GMT
With all of this recording gear going down in price; like high-quality mics at a very low price, recorders, etc, I can see a new frontier of home musicians that are going to, and are now starting to, outshine the major label bands. Quality of the major labels are going down, and the population of home recordists are going way up.
Maybe the selection of creativity will reach what it did during the '70s again.
|
|
|
Post by chrisr on May 15, 2008 21:43:18 GMT
Yeah well, why not, Stan. There is a lot of talent out there, so...
I have a (dummy ?) question :
You say :
I hardly ever use the 2488 onboard effects except vocal compresser or desser, or maybe a single effect for the whole mix. I quit using the 2488 drum patterns a couple of months ago and started using the EZDrummer plugin that depends on a VST software host to run. I'm submixing all of my guitars from the 2488 and then export the stereo tracks into Sonar 6. I then record vocals and do the final mix and master from there.
So, if I get you right, apart from recording & submixing the guitars dry with the 2488, you're doing pretty much everything else with Cakewalk Sonar 6.
Why not recording & mixing the guitars with Sonar 6 as well, Stan ?
Chris
|
|
|
Post by Girl Friday on May 15, 2008 21:45:29 GMT
Stan, I'm so impressed with how well you do all of this.... Chris and the rest of the gang, too! I bow to your collective expertise. I wish I had even half of your combined skills and understanding of all these devices..... Right now, I just feel like "The Little Engine That Could," and I keep telling myself "I think I can...I think I can...I think I can!" hahaha!!!
|
|
|
Post by chrisr on May 15, 2008 21:53:22 GMT
Collective expertise ?
Apart from the Doc himself, if there is any, count yourself in, GF : you're not afraid of using compressers, loopers, vocal harmonizers, keyboards and all of them things that we do not necessarely know much about, so...
|
|
sgulley
Superstar
If you really like music and recording it then never stop trying to get better at it.
Posts: 2,994
|
Post by sgulley on May 15, 2008 22:10:55 GMT
GF, Whether you know it or not "I Think You Are." Your instincts for balancing signals (EQs), the right choice of equipment, panning, etc., are all proof that you are getting almost all of this, and your talent is already evident to all of us.
I bought my PS5 in Nov. 2002 and wrote my first song ever in March 2003. The thought never cross my mind that I could write any music so it was mainly just to record other people's vocals and do some covers for fun. I didn't know much about playing the guitar until after 40. Sticking with it, and being around the right kind of people is what helped me with the learning curve. Any time you record with something new, or get a new recorder there will be some pain but the basic knowlege from the studios in the 60s and 70s still apply to recording today (just that machine processing is much faster and can be done using SW plugins digitally vs. the analog recordings through rack chain. I'm a slow learner with a long term memory so this stuff wasn't that easy to pick up for me.
Chris, Your question is very valid. I like recording in my room so my 2488 is located there. We have a converted garage where the family computer is and now that both of my boys are back for the summer from college I'll have even less access to the computer. I like this 2-phase approach and have only recorded vocals from Sonar on the last 2 songs. Before that, I record the final mix to the computer via S/PDIF from the 2488 and then used some standalone mastering software to finish up.
|
|
|
Post by mcarp555 on May 22, 2008 21:26:57 GMT
Stan, sorry it's taken me awhile to listen. This is very good. In fact it's hard to find anything to complain about. Writing, recording, production are all great. As I keep telling you, playing real parts is so much better to listen to than just jamming through (or behind a vocal). If I had to be ultra-critical, I would say the drums are just a tiny touch too hot behind everything else (in fact, so tiny it might just be a matter of slight adjustments to the EQ or compression), and a little notch filtering on the sibilants in the vocal would not go amiss. But it's very minor quibbling. Great job overall. You're setting new benchmarks for yourself, so woe be you if you slip with the next one (or any).
|
|
sgulley
Superstar
If you really like music and recording it then never stop trying to get better at it.
Posts: 2,994
|
Post by sgulley on May 23, 2008 3:13:44 GMT
I really appreciate it Mike, and glad you came around to listen. When I get some time I'll circle back around and toss one of my de-esser plugins into the main vocal FxBin. I think I'm falling in love with Sonar. It makes the job much easier. Mike, your attention for detail is excellent, and you always give the most honest advise. w/o it my progress over the past few years would have been slower; and like any good teacher, you've passed on experiences very accurately and have generously take your time to do it. Thanks again, Stan
|
|