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Post by latmat on May 28, 2014 0:02:44 GMT
Hello my friends! Took entirely too long to get this one where it is. Pain staking. I can't tell you how many rabbit holes I went down... A lot. As always I need you input in any tweaks or performance issues that squeaked by either cause I missed it or am too lazy to see it. soundcloud.com/latmat/proofSong is proof, a while back I had posted a bare acoustic version of this it has changed significantly, I never imagined it would end up here but thats where it went... Chord progression changes in the chorus and added a bit of a lift which leads into the new chorus chord changes... uh it was hellish but I think worth it. Hope you guys enjoy it, and please let me know what you think about it! Thanks so much, Cameron https%3A//soundcloud.com/latmat/proof
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Post by mcarp555 on May 28, 2014 12:10:54 GMT
I like the clarity of the bass track and the string parts - wonderful. The engineering is crisp, and the playing immaculate (esp. the solo; I wish I could play like that). Overall it's exactly what I expect to hear - a well-constructed and recorded track.
Of particular interest is the variation on the tried and true 'Cam-formula' of acoustic intro, then all guns blazing choruses. The pacing and introduction of instruments as it goes along works much better. What I would suggest is to leave out the strings altogether on the first chorus; it will then make the second chorus that much stronger.
The cello part behind the vocal after the second chorus is highly effective. So much so that I'd plump for bringing it back at the very end where the acoustic plays out w/no vocal. You could end the part with a suspension or 6th chord, which would really introduce some interesting tension/ambiguity.
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Post by latmat on May 28, 2014 16:53:40 GMT
Wow, thanks Mike, fantastic ideas about the strings. I will give that a go would probably help maintain interest a bit as well. I am pretty proud of that cello bit, is really does work nicely. I love strings so much, they are really tough to work with though, so many articulations and timing issues - playing behind the beat to be in time etc... Its quite a learning curve programming them even something seemingly simple.
Thanks again Mike, you have great musical insight; I always appreciate your suggestions.
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Post by mcarp555 on May 28, 2014 18:30:37 GMT
I know it's tough when you get a good idea, and you want to slap it all over. But if you can show some restraint, ultimately it makes the total product better. I did this on my last original tune ('Have No Faith') and while it's sometimes subtle, it does make the song grow. If the tune requires it, yeah, go full tilt from the get-go; but if not, build it like 'Bolero' which is a very good example of this idea in practice.
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Post by sgulley on May 29, 2014 5:04:31 GMT
This piece was extremely well played and shows the positive side of your true talent. These are just suggestions that could in fact mess things up but I will throw them out there and label as experimental in case they sound insane : 1) In the last chorus put in a short vocal delay track (I was imagining that in my head while listening) and then let the final few phrases of your vocals delay out as the song finishes. 2) Picky, but lightly automate the acoustic guitar in short sections where it's dominating and let other instruments (example: piano) get it's turn in a phrase or two. And as already said, you couldn't ask for a better lead solo part. This song is already close to perfect just the way it is. I always love listening to your stuff.
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Post by latmat on May 30, 2014 2:49:47 GMT
Hey thanks for the listen Stan!
So ya I went a head and tried out all the suggestions here...
Stan I tried to feature the piano a bit more in some key moments my lowering the left side acoustic basic strums... Seemed to really make it more prominent hopefully not too much. I tried your idea Stan with the delay. I got it to work unfortunately I felt it was taking away from the the piano and cymbal verse lead in... So I decided not to use it. I could definitely hear it fitting however...
I think you helped make the mix that much better thanks for your ideas Stan!
Mike You were on point with that suspension idea - I went ahead and added it - sounds really cool definitely adds a bit of tension and a feeling of not quite being resolved which fits the tone of the song well. Took out the first chorus strings... Like you said it certainly gets gives the later chorus's extra weight.
Thanks for the input guys, really great ideas...
Cameron
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Post by mcarp555 on May 30, 2014 11:01:10 GMT
Yep, the little tweaks do improve it overall, but as Stan said, it was near perfect to begin with.
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Post by sgulley on May 31, 2014 0:23:39 GMT
Awesome!
I can sure tell you put the time into it.... burn it! (I mean that CD-wise of course)
Hope you don't mind that I'm posting it on my Facebook wall.
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Post by latmat on May 31, 2014 17:29:50 GMT
Thanks again guys. Thanks for sharing it Stan!
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