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Post by mattl on Aug 23, 2004 5:47:46 GMT
well this may surprise some of you.. nope its not death metal. an old friend gets in touch, and i let the opportunity go by without writing a song about it? not on your life it says what i want it to and is relatively the mood i was what i was looking for.. i mix comments? used computer & ps5 for effects on vocal, and noise suppression some of the lead tone im not hot on and will likely mess w/this.. used to martin for the rythm i used this old crappy 60's "sekova" korean acoustic guitar given to me with 10 year old strings on it but its got that aged wood sound i like.. basically just chose it cause it was old, like my friend basic mixed down percussion so as not to ruin the song doubled up vocals /panned seperate for most of the song.. accentuated the distance in the chorus' tanks fer listnin
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Post by mcarp555 on Aug 23, 2004 7:57:17 GMT
Is the vocal delayed or did you sing it twice? It sounds delayed. I would have liked to have heard drums come crashing in just for the chorus, to give it a lift and separate it from the verses (a Latmat trick). Some of the keyboard wobbles (mainly in the choruses) tend to get too busy - stuff like that should be fairly simple in terms of rhythm (in my opinion, anyway). Singing's okay, guitar's okay, altho maybe 10 year old strings is not the best idea. It's fine for bass strings, but guitar. . .
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Post by sgulley on Aug 23, 2004 14:55:18 GMT
The corp. firewall prevents me from MP3 streaming but I can "Save Target" and listen if the MP3 is available for downloads. I'll listen when I am at home and can do audio streams.
Stan
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Post by latmat on Aug 23, 2004 16:13:18 GMT
Hey Matt Nice to see the melodies, becoming more and more developed, I can tell your starting to stir things up more and more. I like the wobbly key board, for the most part, but it does get a tad busy, Drums, would be cool for sure. I agree with Mike, the drums coming in on the second verse, would be cool... ;D Good job matt, I can hear lots of improvement, Cameron
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Post by mattl on Aug 24, 2004 4:09:53 GMT
1.5 is released today, im sorry if you didnt even install 1.0 yet but you need the new version, that'll be $125.00. 2.0 is in progress and should be released when you work out the bugs with 1.5.
welp im here to report 2 tears were brought to 2 seperate pairs of eyes so im on the right track.. just gotta get the parts i SHOULDA polished up polished up.
so.. removed guitar & redid kb's tonight w/adifferent sound .im still getting used to thinking like a whole band w/certain intsruments.. at first i always bruished off the bass , now kb's.. keep forgetting each part is equally important if its in the song.. duh. i like this kb better yep,more ontime. i switched to something thats broken up so as to facilitate not having to do a single take through the whole song cause simple as it is im not very experienced w/keys. this way i could move sections around a bit when needed. im not sure if i wanna lower this kb a bit and/or simplify it even further.. i also had another kb track i left on this but faded way down and panned out.. i'll likely add a clean electric solo and some accents i think im done w/the acoustic for this song.. i need some 70's groove baby .
yea that sekova guitar i dont actually play it (usually) its a THING i have,, i hope i didnt sound like i was trying to age the strings or something.. it needs the bridge reattached but its not worth the $ itd cost even though the wood sounds great i just cant spend the dough. so i keep it around
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Post by Objecks on Aug 24, 2004 5:19:52 GMT
Hey Matt! Nice! See, you CAN write a happy song, even if it is a bit nostalgic! This is a great start. Looking forward to the final mix. I've posted this song on The mostly PS5UG member station in place of the turtle song. Thought you might appreciate that! Not that anyone is actually listening... Charlie
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Post by mcarp555 on Aug 24, 2004 7:49:47 GMT
The overall tone of the guitar in version 1.5 is better, but it's a bit boomy/ringy. I don't think the 'boop-boop' keyboard fits the song at all. The first version was better suited, it just got too busy in the choruses. Maybe replace it with your trademark atmosphere string parts? Like the harmonium sound heard in the last verse. Still like some percussion on the choruses as well.
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Post by mattl on Aug 24, 2004 13:35:54 GMT
hmm.. dang kb's why is nothing easy?! (cause im trying to do everything all at once maybe, hmm maybe?)
thanks charlie, mike, cam. ok. yesa i am going for nostalgia you syathat as if its a bad thing.. c'mon put yer rose colored glasses on and come sit by the campfire. welp yea i think its got maybe twice as many too many notes on that kb than id like.. i like that sound and it does fit the retro sound im obviously going for to remind me (us) of childhood. i like that wavering during each verse.. if i can get tjhe note change exactly and not hit the keys so much ill be happy w/that..ill give another go tonight i hope
re the guitaR - its part of a submix i havent touched . i just removed the lead guitar. it oughta sound wierd i told ya about it.. but all my acoustics have been boomy i think im too close to the mic or its the room.. next time ill experiment, updates top follow thank you for tips i know this can be better and i am enjoying working on it
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Post by Objecks on Aug 24, 2004 14:16:59 GMT
... yesa i am going for nostalgia you syathat as if its a bad thing... Not at all! I was tempering my comment about the song being a happy song by noting the nostalgia. Of course, nostalgia can be either happy or sad -- sometimes both at the same time. Same thing I ran into with "Son Song" and Rob ran into with "Friends." To me, complexity of emotions adds interest to a song. ... I don't think the 'boop-boop' keyboard fits the song at all. The first version was better suited... I thought the keyboard was appropriate for the feel of the song, but then I missed the first version. I did have trouble understanding some of the words. (It was late, and I didn't try very hard. ) Charlie
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Post by latmat on Aug 24, 2004 14:45:10 GMT
Hey Matt!
I like the overall feel of this one way better, I honestly dont think it needs a solo unless your going to rock it up more, then maybe, I think your old keyboard parts might sound kinda neat maybe combined with the new one, I thought I still heard it but I wasnt sure, maybe use the old key board line in the chorus or something just to give to two sections some more contrast between the two...
Keep workin on it, its getting good matt, best I've heard from you yet!
Cameron
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Post by sgulley on Aug 25, 2004 2:37:02 GMT
My 2 pennies worth:
I actually enjoyed the acoustic guitar. I wish I could get a low-end like that! The vocals could ease on the reverb a bit, because in parts, they were hard to understand.
A slow lead line used very sparingly (or just in one part) would be my suggestion (hint, hint), and leave the KB in. Now that you have more suggestion than you know what to do with, I'm sure you know by now that there is a big interest to see the final outcome.
Good work. Stan
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Post by mattl on Aug 25, 2004 4:06:25 GMT
since scotts not here.. ill paint the scene.. fade up music from when we view the empire's death star battle station... matt opens the music room door and steps out, sweat pouring off his face.. family awaits with cool drinks .. hon, how'd it go", is the keyboard part okay, how'd you do?" asks the wife.. the dog runs up to me expectantly... i take a long cool drink.. ok ok enough of this.. so mike, kept the percussive organy sound as i thought it was agood choice but it was a little bump bump as you said (and busy). its retro (heck every sound on the kb is thats why i bought it) and i have no noticeable drums (they are in there just hat and bassdrum but its really low) or bass so it sorta helps on both fronts.. but YES the time needed HELP.. so i got that much better and i messed a bit on the korg where i could use the same sound but take a good bit of the attack out of the notes...but its the same "patch" or whatever its called.. i also faded em down a bit in the mix.. think it works.. actaully wondering if it should be louder.. ill give overnight test yep cam i actually did do a retake of the original kb part but didnt think it was working but left it justa HAIR above silence in last mix , this mix i raised that a bit as it was onea those ideas we both had, so somebody must be right same goes for spare guitar stan i deleted most of it and just left some choice accents but wanted to lessen the acousticy sound of the song .. (oh btw get a large diaphram condenser for micing your acoustic you'll have your bass) its actually a problem.. i thik this acoutic track has a nice chunk but is a lkittle jangly in parts . charlie , oh good, yes temper your comments we dont wanna be too happy i appreciate that.. or at least a gradual acclimation (sp?) out of the depression (was i depressed? who knows) yea i think this ones nice.. makes me feel good... now.. as you can hear i decided to do a mini kb "solo" (hahahhahaha) and theres definitely a couple "questionable " notes.. as you all know im no perfectionist so i dont mind something of a rough edge here and there but do you think those bum notes are TOO much of a detraction? (this oughta get some opinions) im sure tomorrow ill hear all kinds of stuff i dont hear now.. after about 150 times an evening i start to lose perspective.. anyhow thanks for helping me make this as good as it can be.
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Post by mcarp555 on Aug 25, 2004 8:14:01 GMT
So is this a collaboration, even tho there's only one person playing? Or is it a 'song by committee'?
Much better. Guitar is the best so far. Keyboard is fine. It could actually come up just a slight tad, but if it's a hassle, it's okay like it is. I'd still like some percussion in the choruses, but as it stands it's a lot closer to what I expected to hear the first time.
In the end, have the comments by myself and others pushed this song somewhere it wasn't originally meant to go, or did it help unlock the hidden potential? Hmm.
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Post by mattl on Aug 25, 2004 14:23:30 GMT
So is this a collaboration, even tho there's only one person playing? Or is it a 'song by committee'? In the end, have the comments by myself and others pushed this song somewhere it wasn't originally meant to go, o r did it help unlock the hidden potential? Hmm. unlocked the potenbtial for sure!! note no drums you bring up a good point though, this IS a COLLAB OF SORTS. after all im simply following alot of direction (while ignoring some if this was a cd credits to recording engineers would have to be spread out (as well as what do they call arrangers..?!) . no doubt its better than if id not gotten feedback!! its really fun seeing where things acan go, particularly lucky to get some feedback as i learn what the heck im doing, thanks again updated credits on soundclick
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Post by mcarp555 on Aug 25, 2004 14:37:15 GMT
credits to recording engineers would have to be spread out (as well as what do they call arrangers..?!) I think the term you're looking for is either Musical Director(s) or Executive Producer(s).
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